PWM converter and PWM fuel pump control

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Bevan
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PWM converter and PWM fuel pump control

Post by Bevan » Tue May 27, 2014 4:19 am

Hi,
I'm trying to implement a PWM fuel pump control with my MS3. I have a pwm converter board to step up the frequency and hopefully keep my pump happier.

I can get my MS3 to put out a PWM signal on the fuel pump wire. I was planning on feeding this signal to a box with the pwm multiplier, some driver Mosfets, and a 5v regulator in it.

Rather than using the on board TIP122 transistor to directly control the pump grounding, I was going to use it's output to drive some IFR4905 P-type Mosfets in parallel. My pump is rather thirsty and can pull up to 30A. Will this work ok?

Also, since I need 5v to the PWM mutiplier board, will it work to simply put a 5v regulator chip in the box and having it feed off the 12v pump input wire?

Bevan

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Re: PWM converter and PWM fuel pump control

Post by jbelanger » Tue May 27, 2014 11:07 am

Bevan,

You don't want to connect the P-type MOSFET directly to the CPU. You should instead use the TIP122 to drive the MOSFET. Use a 10 to 100 Ohm resistor to connect the MOSFET to the output of the board.

And you can't simply use a 5V regulator. You need to add a few things for protection since the automotive environment is quite harsh. Look at the MS board schematics to get an idea of what should be done.

Jean
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Re: PWM converter and PWM fuel pump control

Post by dontz125 » Tue May 27, 2014 4:54 pm

A fellow named Madhu makes a PWM pump controller with a microprocessor that uses a pressure sensor signal as the control input. He and I have been talking about a partnership; to that end I have modified his design with an eye towards making it more robust for an automotive environment. This could easily be uprated to have a pump current design rating of 30A (50 or 60A hardware limit).

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Re: PWM converter and PWM fuel pump control

Post by superdavemotorsports » Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:11 am

jbelanger wrote:Bevan,

You don't want to connect the P-type MOSFET directly to the CPU. You should instead use the TIP122 to drive the MOSFET. Use a 10 to 100 Ohm resistor to connect the MOSFET to the output of the board.

And you can't simply use a 5V regulator. You need to add a few things for protection since the automotive environment is quite harsh. Look at the MS board schematics to get an idea of what should be done.

Jean
I am looking to do something similar with a Meziere water pump, max 15A under load. Could you expand a little on this reply, maybe a simple diagram with the TIP122, mosfet and protection components?
Would the current 250hz capabilities of the generic pwm outputs from the ms3x work as a water pump speed control?
MS3x/Can-Egt/IOx V1.2 FW0.1.2 (2)adc inputs pins20&24 (1)vr pins5&6 (1)hout3(pwm water pmp) pin34 Diyautotune can-egt (8)egt sensors(2) innovate LC2's serial prtd into canegt DBWx2 soon http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewtopic ... 67&t=70530

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Re: PWM converter and PWM fuel pump control

Post by superdavemotorsports » Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:06 am

In ths thread http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewtopic ... 47#p447647 we have come along way towards getting this to work using a simple circuit
MS3x/Can-Egt/IOx V1.2 FW0.1.2 (2)adc inputs pins20&24 (1)vr pins5&6 (1)hout3(pwm water pmp) pin34 Diyautotune can-egt (8)egt sensors(2) innovate LC2's serial prtd into canegt DBWx2 soon http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewtopic ... 67&t=70530

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Re: PWM converter and PWM fuel pump control

Post by jbelanger » Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:23 am

I've split this thread since the discussion was related to the IOx and that were the posts are now.

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